In US, Pakistan milks Kashmir again despite humiliation

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WASHINGTON: ”The pace, the scope, the character of any discussions on Kashmir is for the two sides (India and Pakistan) to determine.” This is the standard response of the US State Department and the White House to any question relating to what Pakistanis refer to as an unresolved dispute, and which for India, is a festering sore it prefers to treat domestically in its own way on its own terms.

Any departure from this customary mantra, written into the US administration’s briefing books in recent years, is carefully monitored by beat diplomats tasked with sniffing out any change in policy – and by hawk-eyed hacks from both countries looking for a headline-grabbing story.

Occasionally, there are segued addendums and brief digressions on the subject that stir interest on both sides before they subside into coma after milking the aberrations to suit their respective narratives.

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On Tuesday, State Department spokesman Mark Toner had this to say- after the standard template- in response to a question about proposed (and rejected) talks between India and Pakistan on


Pakistan offers supplies to J&K; India asks it to stop sending terrorists


  • Pakistan proposed to send supplies to the victims of‎ violence in J&K.
  • India has rejected this purported communication, said MEA spokesperson Vikas Swarup.
  • He added that India has already received enough of Pakistan’s exports- terrorism, cross-border infiltrators.
NEW DELHI: After offering a dialogue exclusively on J&K, Pakistan approached the Indian high commission in Islamabad with a proposal to send supplies to the victims of‎ violence in the state. India rejected the offer with disdain on Sunday and said Pakistan has already exported enough terrorism to the Indian state.

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On Pakistan’s independence day, its

high commissioner Abdul Basit

dedicated the occasion to the freedom of Kashmiris, further fuelling the diplomatic blow-up between the two nations over developments in the Valley.‎ Indian officials described the remark as highly provocative.

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Pakistan had sent a note verbale to the Indian high commission on Friday proposing supplies, an offer which the government described as absurd.

“India and others in the region have already received enough of

Pakistan’s trademark exports, international terrorism

, cross-border infiltrators, weapons, narcotics and fake currency,” foreign ministry spokesperson Vikas Swarup said, adding that India completely and categorically rejected this purported communication from the Pakistani foreign ministry.

‎Basit, though, stoked the strife as he stressed that despite the use of force, nobody could suppress the political aspirations of

Kashmiri people.

“Pakistan will continue extending its full diplomatic, political and moral support to the valiant people of Jammu and Kashmir till they get their right to self-determination,” he declared after hoisting the national flag at the Pakistani mission.

“As far as Jammu and Kashmir is concerned, we are dedicating this year’s independence day to the

freedom of Kashmir.

And we firmly believe that the sacrifices made by the people of Jammu and Kashmir will not go in vain. The ongoing unrest should be ended‎,” he added.

‎In his address, Basit said Pakistan had always strived for better ties with India on the basis of sovereign equality and peaceful resolution of bilateral disputes. However, he said no one could “belittle” or wish away the “legitimate struggle” of the Kashmiri people and it was incumbent upon the international community to ensure implementation of the relevant UN resolutions to settle the dispute.

Dismissing ‎Pakistan’s offer for a dialogue on Kashmir alone, India had on Saturday made it clear that it would talk on “contemporary and relevant” issues.

“India would welcome a dialogue on contemporary and relevant issues in India-Pakistan relations. At this time they include a stoppage of Pakistani support for cross-border terrorism, infiltration of terrorists like Bahadur Ali,” Swarup had said.


Kashmir + and/or terrorism: ”We would encourage greater dialogue and counterterrorism cooperation between both Pakistan and India. It’s for the good of both countries; it’s for the good of the region. Frankly, it’s for the benefit of the United States.”

Pakistani scribes ran with the story about US calling for talks on Kashmir, notwithstanding the caveat about the pace, scope, character etc. For the Indian media, what followed from Toner was the meat of the story: ”It’s important that Pakistan do the utmost to prevent terrorists from carrying out acts of terror- not just in Pakistan, but elsewhere in the region. So it’s important that there’s greater collaboration, greater dialogue. And we would encourage any effort in that regard.”

Pakistan is home to terrorist groups and perpetrates terror as a policy, it implicitly seemed to acknowledge. India can help dial it down by constantly talking to it.

Elsewhere, Pakistanis were relieved that US officials did not recognize India’s renewed claim over Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, while exulting over Washington’s call for talks. The Baloch and Mohajirs are giving them enough headaches of late in front of the White House and on Capitol Hill.

For India, the US acknowledgement of Kashmir’s disputed status includes what Pakistan calls ”Azad Kashmir,” part of the undivided state. They now want to press forward with the advantage of having Pakistan’s stand on Kashmir completely discredited because of its serial


India to Pakistan: Ready for talks on terror, but not on Kashmir


  1. India has declined Pakistan’s invite for talks on Jammu and Kashmir.
  2. India said Pakistan has no locus standi on Kashmir.
  3. Indian envoy to Pakistan Gautam Bambawale handed over Indian response to Pakistan Foreign Office.
ISLAMABAD/NEW DELHI: India on Wednesday

rejected Pakistan’s proposal

to hold

foreign secretary-level talks on Kashmir

and asserted that it would like to discuss aspects related to cross-border terrorism which are central to the

current situation in Jammu and Kashmir


Responding to Pakistan foreign secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry’s invitation, India’s foreign secretary S Jaishankar expressed his willingness to travel to Islamabad but maintained Pakistan has no locus standi in addressing any

aspect of the situation in Jammu and Kashmir

, which is an internal matter of India, except to put an

end to cross-border terrorism

and infiltration.

The response was handed over to Pakistan by Indian high commissioner to Islamabad Gautam Bambawale.

“Since aspects related to

cross-border terrorism

are central to the current situation in J&K, we have proposed that discussions between the foreign secretaries be focused on them.”

“We have also conveyed that government of India rejects in their entirety the self-serving allegations regarding the situation in J&K, which is an integral part of India where Pakistan has no locus standi,” the sources added.

Pakistan on Monday had invited India for

talks on Kashmir

, saying it is the “international obligation” of both the countries to resolve the issue.

The invitation was extended amid tension in bilateral ties due to the war of words between the two nations over the issue.

Last week, while reacting to a statement by Pakistan Prime Minister’s advisor on foreign affairs Sartaj Aziz regarding the invitation, India had made it clear that it would talk on “contemporary and relevant” issues in Indo-Pak relations and at this time it included stoppage of Pak-supported cross-border terrorism.

External affairs ministry spokesperson Vikas Swarup had said: “India would welcome a dialogue on contemporary and relevant issues in India-Pakistan relations. At this time they include a stoppage of Pakistani support for cross-border terrorism, infiltration of terrorists like Bahadur Ali.

“Incitement to violence and terrorism across the border, parading of internationally recognised terrorists like Hafiz Saeed and Syed Salahuddin, and sincere follow up on the Mumbai attack trial and the Pathankot attack investigation in Pakistan.”

India and Pakistan have been engaged in a war of words over the statements by Islamabad on the situation in Kashmir which is witnessing unrest following the killing of Hizbul Mujahideen terrorist Burhan Wani last month.

Wani was described as a martyr by Pakistan, which has also tried to internationalise the Kashmir issue while India has been maintaining that Pakistan-sponsored terrorism in the valley is the root cause of the turbulence.

association with terrorism+ , particularly after the Ghulam Nabi Fai case in which the Pakistani intelligence agency was found funneling money to Kashmiri lobbyists in Washington and the capture of Osama bin Laden in a military garrison outside Abbotabad.

The rest of the world doesn’t care about this complicated matter – Kashmir could be a sweater, or that song by Led Zeppelin.

Occasionally when things heat up, a few think tanks are stirred into action – mainly on account of the nuclear dimension that agitates alarmists, of which there are many in Washington. But the conversation mostly centers on Pakistan’s use of terrorism to advance its already shaky geography, it’s idea of strategic depth etc.

In fact, Pakistan’s revisionist bluff on Kashmir, by repeatedly citing UN Resolutions on the subject, was brutally called out by an American scholar in a recent think-tank conversation, the video of which Indian gleefully circulated on social media.

”Have you read that resolution, sir? If you haven’t I suggest you read that fabulous resolution that every Pakistani refers to but not a single one has read,” Georgetown University professor


For Pakistan, defeat is that moment when it can no longer resist India

South Asian political and military affairs expert Christine Fair‘s recent study on the Pakistan Army concludes that Pakistan would not be satisfied even if there was a solution to Kashmir, because for the Pakistan army, the war against India is a ‘jihad’ or war of civilizations. In India to promote her book, ‘Fighting to the End: The Pakistan Army’s Way of War’, Fair tells Indrani Bagchi that she believes Pakistan’s North Waziristan terrorist clean-up was just an eye-wash and why the US continues to cut Pakistan cheques

What is the central theme in your book?
I look at a puzzle in the book: Why does Pakistan persist with its revisionism as long as it has? Given that with every subsequent endeavour they become less successful. On top of that, the primary tools they developed to harass India is jihad. Because of a series of events following 911, a large swath of those jihadi groups it nurtured for use on India and Afghanistan have formed the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP). So not only is this strategy failing, it’s actually imperiling the viability of the state itself.

Why does Pakistan do this?
I’ve been assembling Pakistani defence publications. I’m not relying on interviews with these people (Pakistan army) because they lie. The people I have interviewed in the ISI never deviate from the script. These texts are really a conversation they have amongst themselves. I derived from this their strategic culture.

You speak about the idea of ‘jihad’ being central to Pakistan’s way of war.
It’s surprising just how much jihad and Islam is actually in their publications. If the US army or India were to do this, it would be so controversial. What Pakistan is trying to do is use jihad to mobilize and to boost the morale of their troops so they are on perpetual war footing with India.
It’s kind of demoralizing if you think you can’t actually win against India. So the use of jihad is a way to make it seem as if everything the Pakistan army does is Islamically justified. For example, they say India started every war. Therefore they describe their response to these wars as defence of jihad.

How do they refer to India?
They always pitch India as a “Hindu”nation. This is critical to them because they are settling up this civilization battle. Every army chief says the two-nation theory is their ideology and the army protects their ideology and geography.

Is there an interest in getting another special envoy for Kashmir in the US administration?

Every US president starts with a renewed interest in Kashmir. Obama did, with the appointment of the special representative, which was supposed to be Afghanistan-Pakistan-India. People like Barnett Rubin and Ahmed Rashid argue for a grand bargain that solves Kashmir. This is all rubbish, I argue.

Pakistan is actually an ideological state. The Kashmir issue is not causal, it’s symptomatic. Pakistan is not a security seeking state in which we can satisfy their insecurities. Instead it’s an ideological state. I lay out a structure for containing Pakistan, because there is nothing in our toolbox that will reshape it.

Which means even if there is a solution to Kashmir, Pakistan would not be satisfied?
Yes. It’s costly for Pakistan to maintain this competition, but they view defeat very differently. They don’t view it in terms of territory lost or value of territory or number of lives lost. They view defeat as that moment when they can no longer resist India. They are like an international insurgent.

That’s why they keep taking calculated risks, knowing well they are never going to achieve the outcome. The goal is simply to exhibit to India that India cannot exert its will in the neighbourhood. If there were to be any kind of negotiation on Kashmir that gives up any inch of territory, it’s not going to fix the situation.

What is your assessment of Pakistan’s North Waziristan operation, Zarb-e-azb?
It is Zarb-e-bakwas. We have seen it before. To me it is an awful lot like what happened in 2009 in South Waziristan. They gave months of warning; any terrorist worth his salt has already left either with the internal refugees or – as was the desired effect – into Afghanistan.
What most people don’t know is Senator Levin put in a proviso in FY 2015 that says if the Pakistanis don’t do an operation in North Waziristan we’re not going to give them $300 or $900 million. Now that they are done with this operation, the Pakistanis are making an argument in Washington DC that they should be given continued coalition support.

This is outrageous. They are creating and sustaining an insurgency , then they ask for compensation to protect the border. They’re actually asking for money to protect them from their own Frankenstein’s monster.

Will America give in?
I think they will. The irony is this: the Americans will help them kill as many terrorists as they will let them. But the Americans won’t make them stop producing more terrorists. They (Pakistanis) have taken $30 billion from us, they still kill our troops and we still pay the cheques. Osama bin Laden was in Abbottabad and still the cheques are coming.


Christine Fair+ told a Pakistan Fulbright scholar in a withering response when he referred to the UN Resolution on Kashmir. She then lectured him about the content of the resolution that contains three sequential and conditional steps: Pakistan will first demilitarize in the undivided state to the satisfaction of UN; India will follow, with a limited military presence allowed to defend itself against Pakistani aggression; and a plebiscite will take place after both conditions are met.

”So all those Pakistanis who are so upset about the plebiscite not being held, they have their own government to blame- Because Pakistan never fulfilled the first necessary but insufficient condition. So I encourage you read the resolution before you ever make such a fool of yourself again,” Fair said in a public humiliation of the Pakistani fellow.

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